There clearly is an agenda going on in the western nations. I think you are absolutely right in that identifying vulnerabilities and frailties earlier and being put on their "palliative care pathway" they will free up space. It used to be that palliative care was a means to control the symptoms of chronic illness so that quality of life was improved, it was not a pathway to their death. All of their emphasis is on dying not living, it does not matter if you are old or young what matters is if you use up resources because of chronic disease, then your medical records may be marked for their "special pathway".
Australia has advertising on the radio for palliative care. It’s big business. I want to draw your attention to the use of oxygen for palliative care.
Oxygen is a powerful dehydrator and this is why it is a prescribed drug. It can kill. Oxygen is a known dehydrator- in anaesthesia and mechanic ventilators a humidifier is used concurrently to help mitigate this. But for palliative care they hook these people up 24/7 to portable bottles. Oxygen causes suffering and it makes these people wish for their own death as they dry up from the inside out.
I’ve an article: We breathe air not oxygen and I logically dismiss the gaseous exchange of oxygen and carbon dioxide as a FRAUD. We are not machines using gases of combustion and exhaust. Hydration not oxygenation underpins our physiology. Hydration equals SALT plus water.
And How does salt restriction lead to heart dis-ease and fear based reactionary thinking? I link dehydration with the adrenals and explain how the restriction of salt creates chronic dis-eases like T2 and dementia.
Such an interesting post Dave and the discussion you've prompted. I know a bit about it because I delivered palliative care training to health and social care staff and supported a dear friend with MND. Others might correct me on this, but I'm sure the use of language changed around 2010 or so. Historically, palliative care meant end of life care and still does to most people making it a fairly scary and negative label. I think I'm right in saying palliative means relieving symptoms without dealing with the cause which gives the impression of no hope for recovery. I'm fast learning that dementia isn't the incurable condition it's sold as along with cancer and other debilitating diseases that will prompt referral for palliative care. If health and social care services were truly person centred and everybody was able to access the right support and the right time, we wouldn't need to call it anything other than care. How I'd love to sit us all down and chat about it.
Oddly enough, amongst my various modest accomplishments as an NHS public health strategist, I wrote the first Palliative Care Strategy for Forth Valley NHS - around 23 years ago.
It's a fascinating subject, and not one to be approached lightly. Plenty of us secular oldies (I'm 70) would prefer to have some control and say in the means, timing and location of our demise, and have no illusions about the alternatives - which might at worst involve a sort of living death as a stroke or dementia sufferer, having every orifice managed by rather uncaring and uncommunicative young lassies from Nigeria or the Philippines on minimum wage. Or, even worse, by our own children or spouse - who might lose decades of their best years of life as unpaid and unvalued carers.
The end game is usually unpleasant, and technology can prolong it almost indefinitely. As someone who has nursed both my parents and also worked in geriatric care in the NHS as a nursing auxiliary on the frontline for two years, I think we need an intelligent discussion about human rights, dignity and hard choices.
Bringing in abortion is a red herring - that's an entirely different issue.
Thanks Rob. No the abortion factoid was to show the depopulation aspect of policies being implemented by MSPs which is unarguable. Also after the last 4 years how could anyone be confident in the decisions made my medics when it comes to diagnosing 'serious illness' and then deciding how you live and whether or not you live or die? When i grew up there were no care homes in the community family looked after you if ill and in general old people were healthier. Now care homes are everywhere and big business with current rates for self a funded nursing home resident in Scotland at £1400 PER WEEK!!
I agree, having similar backgrounds in "care" in the "health" service. Choice should always be a option. Sadly this is a agenda and choice isn't allowed. My father wanted to live but he failed the frailty score and three days later after food, water taken away and cocktail of drugs given. Just because someone decided he shouldn't live. This is not a good future for us.
Yes, was in my local paper. Lets have a dialogue - I'm broadly in favour of human choice and self-determination, mainly because life can be prolonged almost indefinitely through technology, but that 'lifestyle' as a wholly dependent and bedridden invalid is not what you or I would desire or wish for.
I don’t disagree with you. I currently have such a relative who says at times that she wants to die but flip flops mentally as she may have early dementia. It’s a hugely problematic area, but let’s face it - government would have a far easier job with fewer ‘useless eaters’.
The principles of the Hospice movement are worthy enough, which are to offer a decent environment and graduated pain relief to the dying, so that their last days are pleasant as possible. Before 1970, death on a cancer ward was a rather grim, municipal business.
Palliative care is clearly required BUT comes with a huge responsibility and should have a very stringent criteria to be applied but given the last few years is that really what we are going to have in place? I doubt it.
I would not over-egg that particular analogy. Resorting to Godwin's Law of Nazi Analogies before the main debate has even commenced is a sign of a lazy intellect!
This is an excellent book on euthanasia by Jack King a former British GP principal who was a doctor for over 40 years and everybody should read this book as this is something that will probably affect everyone nowadays and it should be studied especially by nurses and doctors and those involved in the "palliative care pathway", here is the link to book https://www.amazon.co.uk/They-Want-Kill-Us-Heres-ebook/dp/B0D16HP4JP?ref_=ast_author_mpb.
There clearly is an agenda going on in the western nations. I think you are absolutely right in that identifying vulnerabilities and frailties earlier and being put on their "palliative care pathway" they will free up space. It used to be that palliative care was a means to control the symptoms of chronic illness so that quality of life was improved, it was not a pathway to their death. All of their emphasis is on dying not living, it does not matter if you are old or young what matters is if you use up resources because of chronic disease, then your medical records may be marked for their "special pathway".
EXACTLY my thoughts too Amat. ''All of their emphasis is on dying not living.'' And this whole system being put in place can be abused. https://uk.news.yahoo.com/assisted-dying-campaigners-scotland-issue-182227955.html
Livestock and deadstock both have value in different ways👍
Body parts and especially embrios cells are very valuable.
Australia has advertising on the radio for palliative care. It’s big business. I want to draw your attention to the use of oxygen for palliative care.
Oxygen is a powerful dehydrator and this is why it is a prescribed drug. It can kill. Oxygen is a known dehydrator- in anaesthesia and mechanic ventilators a humidifier is used concurrently to help mitigate this. But for palliative care they hook these people up 24/7 to portable bottles. Oxygen causes suffering and it makes these people wish for their own death as they dry up from the inside out.
I’ve an article: We breathe air not oxygen and I logically dismiss the gaseous exchange of oxygen and carbon dioxide as a FRAUD. We are not machines using gases of combustion and exhaust. Hydration not oxygenation underpins our physiology. Hydration equals SALT plus water.
And How does salt restriction lead to heart dis-ease and fear based reactionary thinking? I link dehydration with the adrenals and explain how the restriction of salt creates chronic dis-eases like T2 and dementia.
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Thanks, fantastic points made.
Here's how to spot an evil agenda:
1) It renames an obvious evil into a 'sanitised term'
Examples:
Child murder becomes abortion
Murder becomes euthanasia, "palliative care", "Liverpool care pathway", "neutralisation" etc
Reducing the population becomes Net Zero, Contraceptives
Military aggressors are a "defence force" ('Ministry of Defence', 'Department of Defense', 'Israeli Defence Force')
Selfish endeavours are 'philanthropy'
Oppressing people is 'defending democracy'
Forcing an ideology is 'tolerance'
Forcing a group is "diversity"
Also you cannot ask questions about it. ;-)
J. Kenneth Smail, Confronting The 21st Century's Hidden Crisis: Reducing Human Numbers by 80%, Forum Series, Negative Population Growth, May 1995 See https://npg.org/library/forum-series/confronting-the-21st-centurys-hidden-crisis-reducing-human-numbers-by-80.html
Such an interesting post Dave and the discussion you've prompted. I know a bit about it because I delivered palliative care training to health and social care staff and supported a dear friend with MND. Others might correct me on this, but I'm sure the use of language changed around 2010 or so. Historically, palliative care meant end of life care and still does to most people making it a fairly scary and negative label. I think I'm right in saying palliative means relieving symptoms without dealing with the cause which gives the impression of no hope for recovery. I'm fast learning that dementia isn't the incurable condition it's sold as along with cancer and other debilitating diseases that will prompt referral for palliative care. If health and social care services were truly person centred and everybody was able to access the right support and the right time, we wouldn't need to call it anything other than care. How I'd love to sit us all down and chat about it.
Yes, it's the hopelessness the pathway's promote rather than any hope that bothers me.
Can’t edit my comment but I should have said dementia etc aren’t always incurable. Such a huge topic
This exercise appears to be designed to draw us into a blind alley.
The graphs go up to 2019.
Everyone knows what has happened since then.
No chance for this turning out this way.
Oddly enough, amongst my various modest accomplishments as an NHS public health strategist, I wrote the first Palliative Care Strategy for Forth Valley NHS - around 23 years ago.
It's a fascinating subject, and not one to be approached lightly. Plenty of us secular oldies (I'm 70) would prefer to have some control and say in the means, timing and location of our demise, and have no illusions about the alternatives - which might at worst involve a sort of living death as a stroke or dementia sufferer, having every orifice managed by rather uncaring and uncommunicative young lassies from Nigeria or the Philippines on minimum wage. Or, even worse, by our own children or spouse - who might lose decades of their best years of life as unpaid and unvalued carers.
The end game is usually unpleasant, and technology can prolong it almost indefinitely. As someone who has nursed both my parents and also worked in geriatric care in the NHS as a nursing auxiliary on the frontline for two years, I think we need an intelligent discussion about human rights, dignity and hard choices.
Bringing in abortion is a red herring - that's an entirely different issue.
Thanks Rob. No the abortion factoid was to show the depopulation aspect of policies being implemented by MSPs which is unarguable. Also after the last 4 years how could anyone be confident in the decisions made my medics when it comes to diagnosing 'serious illness' and then deciding how you live and whether or not you live or die? When i grew up there were no care homes in the community family looked after you if ill and in general old people were healthier. Now care homes are everywhere and big business with current rates for self a funded nursing home resident in Scotland at £1400 PER WEEK!!
I agree, having similar backgrounds in "care" in the "health" service. Choice should always be a option. Sadly this is a agenda and choice isn't allowed. My father wanted to live but he failed the frailty score and three days later after food, water taken away and cocktail of drugs given. Just because someone decided he shouldn't live. This is not a good future for us.
My concerns validated. Absolutely shocking! Thanks for sharing.
Have you seen this in Scotland? "Demystifying Death Week" :-
https://www.goodlifedeathgrief.org.uk/content/demysityfing_death_week_2024/
Yes, was in my local paper. Lets have a dialogue - I'm broadly in favour of human choice and self-determination, mainly because life can be prolonged almost indefinitely through technology, but that 'lifestyle' as a wholly dependent and bedridden invalid is not what you or I would desire or wish for.
I don’t disagree with you. I currently have such a relative who says at times that she wants to die but flip flops mentally as she may have early dementia. It’s a hugely problematic area, but let’s face it - government would have a far easier job with fewer ‘useless eaters’.
Yes, this is not to say that palliative care is completely useless but rather it can and very likely will be abused. https://uk.news.yahoo.com/assisted-dying-campaigners-scotland-issue-182227955.html
The principles of the Hospice movement are worthy enough, which are to offer a decent environment and graduated pain relief to the dying, so that their last days are pleasant as possible. Before 1970, death on a cancer ward was a rather grim, municipal business.
Palliative care is clearly required BUT comes with a huge responsibility and should have a very stringent criteria to be applied but given the last few years is that really what we are going to have in place? I doubt it.
Part of the Scottish Partnership for Palliative Care, apparently.
A condition which is not expected to get better ... sounds like 'life' to me.
In England they have a frailty score that decides if they put you on end of life. Shocking stuff
The similarities to Germany 1937 are startling.
I would not over-egg that particular analogy. Resorting to Godwin's Law of Nazi Analogies before the main debate has even commenced is a sign of a lazy intellect!
This is an excellent book on euthanasia by Jack King a former British GP principal who was a doctor for over 40 years and everybody should read this book as this is something that will probably affect everyone nowadays and it should be studied especially by nurses and doctors and those involved in the "palliative care pathway", here is the link to book https://www.amazon.co.uk/They-Want-Kill-Us-Heres-ebook/dp/B0D16HP4JP?ref_=ast_author_mpb.